• dragnucs@lemmy.ml
    13·
    2 hours ago

    ELI5 if proton is for everyone, why does it matter who they do sponsorships with? Wouldn’t being very eclectic about it be a kind of discrimination or at least following a defined political view? I can’t make, and don’t want to, know the difference between right and left in politic. People tried explaining it to me but I don’t care.

    • deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      5·
      2 hours ago

      anti fascism means anti fascist no matter what. The fact you don’t care about right wing extremism doesn’t mean shit to me. Keep on using your fascist software, while not caring. Your “convictions”, or lack of, means fuck all to the world

      • xelar@lemmy.ml
        12·
        1 hour ago

        what if Proton mail sponsored far left extremists and censored criticism on their subreddit, would it be okay then?

  • Ardens@lemmy.ml
    51·
    13 hours ago

    Thanks for the heads up. Haven’t really used Proton, but I have a few accounts in case of… But now they will be deleted.

  • SoftBun@lemmy.ml
    201·
    20 hours ago

    They also sponsor a far-right influencer in Brazil.

    This guy is literally a grandson of a dictator of the military dictatorship. He was also one of the articulators of the 2023 coup attempt, pressing the military to join

    very cool proton

    edit: giving more context in case someone wants to post this in their subreddit (I won’t): his name is Paulo Figueiredo and he still have a proton vpn sponsor link in every video on youtube.

    • Onyx376@lemmy.ml
      51·
      14 hours ago

      I’m from Brazil and I hadn’t seen this yet. It’s disgusting! Dude, Proton never again! They are financing the most rotten things in Brazil! Very sad and revolting!

  • edel@lemmy.mlEnglish
    211·
    1 day ago

    Three things on Proton:

    1. Proton mail has been in a rampage with sponsor YouTube channels and, in my opinion, that is a mistake. I would have kept it an organic growth, but that is me… a nobody, and Proton has become far more successful than no other email provider in the privacy world.

    2. Considering even that, Proton is not vetting who is sponsoring. This is a fiasco. For instance they try to sponsor the channel “The hated one” that never takes any sponsors and even constantly criticizes channels that does it. That is a mayor blunder for Proton, there is no scrutiny at all with their marketing deployment. By the way, we learned that that youtubers get a juicy amount by Proton in these sponsorships (I think was $70 per subscription).

    3. Proton, for years, has been aiming for the masses, not the most serious in privacy (for instance, androidś Proton email still uses Google push services). That is not bad per se, I still recommend Proton to many. But those with a more ideological approach to privacy or those requiring top notch on it, should be aiming for other service providers.

  • DaGammla@lemmy.mlEnglish
    133·
    1 day ago

    Using Proton always seemed like a bad idea. People come to Proton in order to deGoogle or de-big-tech but then lock themselves into their ecosystem, defeating the entire purpose.
    Not mention how scummy their PR-Team, their CEO and their Business Practices are.
    So many Proton sponsered content creators spread lies about how Proton Mail is supposedly E2E encrypted or how Proton VPN is supposedly a privacy and security tool.
    Time and time again they have lied about how much data they have and how much they have disclosed to investigating agencies.

    The only way I could ever undestand someone using Proton Mail would be to use their service but behind your own domain, such that migrating away stays easy.

    • Wilmo@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      16 hours ago

      I did this myself in 2023, coming from google. And have now dropped their Eco system for all disconnected privacy friendly options like mailbox.org and bitwarden for example.

      But I also use my own domain and a ton of alias email addresses so wasn’t locked to my proton email address in any meaningful way

  • Rindogang@lemmy.ml
    153·
    1 day ago

    I was afraid Proton would eventually go down the far right route… and it seems like my fears came true

    • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      234·
      1 day ago

      their CEO publicly announced support for trump; anyone saying otherwise about proton’s proclivities is coping too hard – especially the ones in this community.

      • John@lemmy.mlEnglish
        71·
        1 day ago

        you can say this about literally every tech company these days.

        • Ardens@lemmy.ml
          7·
          13 hours ago

          Which is why we support Open Source like Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, NextCloud, LibreOffice and a whole lot more. :-)

          • icelimit@lemmy.ml
            22·
            8 hours ago

            With euro office coming up, there was some musing that libre office has Russian roots, does that change the equation any?

            • Sonalder@lemmy.ml
              2·
              6 hours ago

              From what I understood: ONLYOFFICE is a fork of Libre Office by a russian company. NextCloud was using ONLYOFFICE for its built-in cloud office suite replacement. Then they forked it with others to have greater control on the software with no communication whatsever to the company developing ONLYOFFICE without respecting their questionnable trademark restriction within ONLYOFFICE licence which I am still unsure if it was compatible with GPL licence Libre Office is using.

    • edel@lemmy.mlEnglish
      78·
      1 day ago

      I have not seen evidence of Proton “going the far right route” yet. They are just sponsoring channels that ever mention privacy and far right ones frequently does that too. You can blame proton for no scrutinize, but not of siding with the right or the left. Proton is just focusing in mayor growth and nothing else, for better or for worse.

        • ZeroHora@lemmy.mlEnglish
          42·
          1 day ago

          I can’t see much of a problem with this, yeah Trump actually did started something useful for all the wrong reasons and the guy praised that, the company sponsoring far right weirdos is waaaay more problematic to be honest.

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
    93·
    1 day ago

    ceo praised trump then deleted the tweet. it should have been the first warning sign he is a fascist.

    • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      1 hour ago

      It’s actually wilder than that. The official Proton account went onto several platforms to repeat the endorsement.

    • alastel@lemmy.ml
      121·
      1 day ago

      You’ve got some companies advertising with streamers/youtubers that do some checks on who they advertise with. They use specialised communication agencies, it’s their job.

        • alastel@lemmy.ml
          42·
          1 day ago

          Companies that neither do their job nor get someone to do it for them, and end up financing fascists, even though they should be especially careful given their CEO past declarations ?