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"In desperation, it repeats the words in an attempt to have the last word.

Unaware, that if the last words spoken are obviously meaningless, they aren’t last words at all. But simply the pathetic death-cry of a loser."

I do hope you reflect on what I’ve told you, despite my being mean. You’re clearly not so dumb as to be completely without hope. Even if I’m wrong, which I well might be, your arguing skills are so bad they actively sabotage your own message.

"Observe, as the creature finally clams up completely, refusing all exchange. Resorting to a final four words that carry no meaning whatsoever, except the implied ‘fuck you’.

Truly, a deep thinker of the interwebs."

Look at it this way, I didn’t declare an end to our delightful little chat, I declared my victory in the original matter.

You stopped forwarding arguments and counter-arguments two comments in, giving me the win by default.

All you have left, is acting like the ball is in my court and I’m the one who is refusing to make the next move.

How about three fronts? I have a lot to say so more bite-sized bits would help get through you non-existent attention span.

I keep laughing at this “someone elses problem” point. I can’t refute it without revealing way too much personal info, its such a perfect non-argument.

You don’t know shit about how close I’ve been to these matters irl, and I can’t tell you.

I see you’re in the final stages of clamming up completely. This string of non-responses is an attempt at annoying me until I go away.

You’ve given up on trying to actually prove me wrong, because you can’t. Or at least don’t know how to properly try.

Please, figure it out. If not for me, then the next exchange you engage in.

What responsibilities? What part of what I’ve said tells you I’m avoiding them?

I want you to see the errors you’ve made in presenting your argument and dismantling mine. I point out third parties because I want to provoke YOU into taking an outside look at your own words.

Then we’ll be able to talk for real. Not this mudslinging that idiots do.

We are in an anonymous text thread. There is only talk here, the moment you began demanding a walk, that was just you sticking your fingers into your ears and going “laalaalaa”. I will not stop trying to pull them out.

And I’m not afraid of admitting I care. Maybe I can’t change your stance on this matter, but I want to at least make you think about how utterly idiotic your discussion methods are. How you’ve undermined your own position by sidestepping a real discussion, and hence leaving your actual points undefended. All you have left is to keep claiming you’re still on top, but with no language to actually show that is the case.

It was over the moment you didn’t read my comment, and responded with nonsense. Ever since, I’ve been trying to get you to admit that mistake, so we could have a real discussion.

By demanding action, you sidestep the actual exchange of ideas. Because online, here in a thread of mere text, ideas and the words that represent them, is all we have. By demanding action, you avoid having to defend your own views at all. You’ve made yourself look utterly devoid of reason to anyone capable of realising that. Which is everyone with their head on straight.

I’d need to be a mod to be a dictator, so I could ban you. Instead I’m right here on your level, trying to use words to explain why you’re wrong. I demand nothing from you, except the basic ability to fucking read. You’re the one demanding the literally impossible. That I bring grand actions as ideological proof, into a fucking anonymous text thread.

You just need to scroll the fuck up, and fucking read what I had to say. You’re still responding as if I think something I don’t. You’re afraid of understanding what I have to say, that you might agree with me if you did, so afraid that you wont take off your beer goggles and look at reality with clear eyes. You’d rather appear insane to anyone watching than risk reality proving you wrong.

I see you’re a broken record now, attempting yet another character assassination instead of dismantling my argument. Nothing of what I’ve said allows you to draw the conclusions about me that you are presenting. It’s disgraceful.

If anything, you’ve made it even more certain that anyone else coming across this exchange, won’t take your side. Good job.

You’re the one avoiding the real discussion.

I bet that even if I did provide the proof you are asking for, you’d find some way to invalidate it and require more. It’s a classic arguing tactic among the brainless. So many times I’ve backed myself up with salient points, including now, only for them to be utterly ignored.

Who cares if you’re wrong? If you keep claiming to be right, at least it feels like there’s still a chance that you are.

But there isn’t. You’re wrong.

That will be all.

Except what you’re asking me to prove I believe, isn’t actually what I believe, because you refuse to even think about what I am actually saying.

You’ve made assumptions, and because those assumptions are so heinously evil, you won’t even consider what I have to say.

Because you’re acting based on assumptions, you keep missing when trying to dismantle my argument, because its not my argument you’re attacking, but your imagined idea of what I’m saying.

So here we are, going in circles, me trying to get through to you, you accusing me of avoiding the point, because I keep trying to force you to see my actual point, instead of the imagined one that you’ve fixated on.

I did read yours. What makes you think otherwise?

If someone who wants to kill, never does it, they shouldn’t be put in prison. They shouldn’t even be hated or feared.

Someone who gets away with it, should be in prison. Someone who did kill, should be hated and feared.

I will admit only one thing, that you refuse to understand what I’m actually trying to say.

I wouldn’t need to prove shit, if you had the capacity to think clearly enough to understand, or even fucking read.

You didn’t read my comment. I want nothing to do with fucking criminals. Stop suggesting otherwise, you lunatic.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. It’s not gonna work, especially if you won’t even read and understand what I am actually trying to say.

Responding like this, anyone who reads our exchange is gonna look at your responses, and determine you’re the crazy one, because what you are saying makes no fucking sense in response to me if you actually read and understand what I’m saying. Is that what you want?

Right. Because if I knew someone who was one, they’d openly admit that to me. For all you know, I am one. But no. That’s not how this works. If you’re a paedophile with a clear head in modern society, you’d take that fact to the grave. Only if you didn’t trust yourself to never touch a child, is there any reason to out yourself and expose your life to the downsides of being known, in order to get help. But if you’re 100% sure you’ll never act, like you and I can be about never raping someone, why admit to it? With how hated you’d instantly become, there are only downsides.

And why the fuck would I befriend someone convicted? That’s like saying that to be ok with people who would like to have sex (everyone), I need to be ok with befriending and having around actual known rapists (criminals). People who want to have sex, are not automatically people who can’t stop themselves from taking it.

As for the option of eliminating one’s libido, thats a really good one. But which part of my comment made you think I believe science can’t help? I said it can’t be cured, I said the therapies we have, work. If eliminating one’s libido helps a person live their life, they should opt for it, paedophile or not. But choosing not to harm others isn’t difficult, unless there’s a lot more wrong with you than your sex drive being directed at children. You and me have no trouble respecting adults of whatever gender were attracted to, why should being a paedophile mean you’re any different?

You accuse me of not thinking this through… I laugh at you. Your last three paragraphs only work if you assume the condition automatically also makes a person evil and immoral. Yes, those people exist, and they should be locked away and never allowed into society. (again, WTF, a convicted pedo??? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?)

But the condition itself, that one is attracted to children, has nothing to do with a person’s capacity for moral action. One’s mind, does not need to obey one’s biology. You can choose to not eat, even when hungry, because you can understand that eating more than is healthy, is bad. A normal person would stay virgin all their life, if they didn’t find a willing partner, because not raping isn’t difficult.

Should we shun people who have done evil? ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY! I don’t know which part of my comment made you think I believe otherwise. As for telling people who have suffered because of child rapists, that not all pedos are also rapists… Duh, but that’s also like telling a woman who was raped by a man, that not all men are rapists. She likely wont want to hear it, and should be helped through the trauma in whatever way is best for her. It would also be true. If you left a kid alone with a pedo who has the same moral compass as you and me, you’d never know they were a pedo, because they wouldn’t rape the kid.

This likely won’t get through to you, because you can’t separate the desires from the person. You can’t imagine someone desiring to do evil, not also being evil. That you can be hungry, without wanting to eat.

Do normal adults who watch porn have difficulty controlling themselves around people? Maybe. I don’t. Not raping anyone isn’t difficult, no matter how attractive someone is to me. And no matter how much porn I consume, my ability to respect the concept of consent isn’t going anywhere, either.

There is no treatment of paedophilia which cures it. Unfortunately, research has shown that’s not possible. What modern therapies actually consist of, is moral rehabilitation, and self control training. Stuff that any normal person already knows. For a paedophile to actually act on their urges, they have to lack the things that stop any given person from raping, in addition to being a paedophile.

I’m nowhere near as convinced of the “no, allow none of it, ever” as you. I can’t imagine life without any outlet for my libido, be that porn or actual sex. I think most people with paedophilia, live their lives fully capable of never raping a child, no therapy necessary. No clear-minded person needs to be told they shouldn’t rape, and nothing about the condition itself means the person afflicted cant be clear-minded. A paedophile with the self-awareness to seek help isn’t doing it because they are attracted to kids, but because they are attracted to kids, and also aren’t sure they can stop themselves. If that was how humans worked by default, we’d all need “don’t rape” therapy.

Nothing about the condition means it would always be paired with an inability for moral thought or self control. If it did, the therapies we do have couldn’t work without curing the actual condition. And they do work. Just not the way most people probably think they do.

I’m not sure where the line should be, but due to the intense evil done by offending paedophiles, there is a well deserved stigma around the condition. The general public knows almost nothing about it except the damage it can do to those they care about. And yes, that means we should start with a line drawn as safely as possible, but we should also do the work and the actual research, to figure out how much can be done for these people, without harm.

And for the reasons above, I don’t think “nothing”, and “make it all forbidden” is that.