Dr. Moose

I don’t think this precedence will ever get set because we don’t have universal global IP protections. The west will never set it due to fear of China winning the AI race.

In their opinion (which I agree with) this is the greater good and someone’s mastodon posts or similar being fed to AI training machine is a lesser evil compared to losing technological advantage to the biggest authoritarian state in the world.

Listen man I’ve been working with web scraping for years though now I do the exact opposite (anti bot tech) and robots.txt is absolutely meaningless and there’s zero precedent in the US or elsewhere of it doing anything but providing web crawlers a map of your web site.

I can tell you the thing we tell to all of our clients - the only way to sue bots is to sue for direct damages not for automation. This has always been true and will continue to be true for foreseeable future in the US because you its impossible to set a precedent here as there are just too many players involved that benefit from web automation.

You can actually check out:

• Meta v. Bright Data
• hiq labs v. inkedIn

These cases are very recent and huge in web automation community and went all the way to the Ninth Circuit and settled at Supreme Court in favor of bots.

I’m telling you man copyright is so ruined that it’s really just a machine for feeding middle managers and lawyers. But hey it gives me a great job security and I can afford to work on actual free software which as you might know is invredibly hard to fund otherwise!

Well it depends on the use. If its a movie that I copied then I can watch it, if it’s a picture I can print it and put it on a wall at my home. Even AI training currently its considered to be entirely legal to train on copyrighted data. You can even parse copyrighted data for analytics which is entirely legal as well.

So you can do a lot with copyrighted data without breaching the copyright, including AI training as it’s the article topic.

Those are entirely different laws you’re thinking about like DMCA, EUCA, database protection laws (yeah lol it’s a real thing) etc. Copyright on its own is about distribution.

That being said data law is really complex and more often than not turns to damage proof rather than explicit protections. Basically its all lawyer speak rather than an actual idealistic framework that aims to protect someone. This is primary argument why copyright is a failed framework because it’s always just a battle of lawyers and damages.

No, there are several types of legal agreements on the web in this particular case there’s:

• click wrap where the visitor must explicitly agree with terms of service by clicking a button - that’s what you see when you register an account.
• browse wrap where the visitor implicitly agrees with ToS by just browsing the web.

The former is enforcable while the latter is almost impossible to enforce in free western countries because you just cannot agree with something just by browsing a public space as that’d be crazy.

No that’s not how copyright works. Copyright prohibits distribution not copying.

No it doesn’t because all mastodon data is public and does not require ToS agreement to be collected.

Mastodon could only argue damages but that would be impossible to litigate in any extent due to decentralized and free nature of Mastodon and Fediverse. Except for some backward countries like China or Japan where there’s no information freedom protections and any corporation can sue you for damages for any information infringement (even if it’s not yours).

This is a good thing. Mastodon shouldn’t control anything related to the legality of data flowing in the fediverse - that’s the entire point.

What really triggers me is that digital products that are significantly cheaper, easier and safer (environment etc) than physical counterparts have significantly worse rights and protections.

Even if I agreed with the idea of copyright the economical implementation is so absurd.

Yeah isn’t that crazy?

Copyright by itself only protects distribution but then laws like DMCA (US) and EUCA (EU) make drm removal illegal. Its hard to believe that these laws exist and should be opposed at every possible opportunity.

Can you imagine buying an ebook and being told you can’t remove malware from some strings of text or you’ll go to prison? Also you have no consumer protections like refunds or ability to pass down the license so you’re literally have worse consumer rights than a physical product and digital data costs nothing!

The current copyright framework is so broken and so toxic it needs to be completely destroyed.

I can feel this image as I’ve been working on macos due to regulations for years and then going back to linux full time was orgasmic. Its crazy how much better dev experience on Linux is.

everything is open source except half of all things.

Lol

Nah the points are laughably easy to game even in centralized reddit since this moderation aspect never made any sense. As if bad actors can’t upvote themselves, buy upvotes or just repost any random garbage to /r/funny.

Its a terrible system that turned Reddit into a content desert. Once you decline some new person because “they dint have enough karma” they’re never trying to contribute again and you end up with power users who have a moat around content production.

Shared moderation lists already do all of this in an actually functional way. You can subscribe to Bob’s list of douchebags and have the client block them. This is something bluesky added quite recently but it already exists on fediverse to instance admins tho afaik not individual users yet.

My friend is a locksmith and if your area is not overcrowded and you can keep a good company running it’s really good. People pay a lot of money to get back into their car at 6am but also every building needs a lock and the locks need maintenance.

It’s a real business though as the trade aspect of cutting a key or opening a door isn’t difficult at all. The challenge is running business, accounting and all the certifications and associated protocols. With all that said, it can get crowded real fast so this all only works if you’re one of 3 locksmiths in town at most.

Electrician 100% and it’s really fun too.

I’m a software dev and that would be my backup trade as it scratches every intellectual itch if you work on more complex setups as well as mechanical fulfillment as you actually see your work published. The community is huge and the demand will almost never decline. The only downside that it’s not very mobile but still much more mobile than most other trades.

Nah both Gnome and KDE are incredible and I say that as someone whos been using Linux since early 00s

Tailscale is awesome. Alternatively if you’re more technically inclined you can make your own wireguard tailscale and all you need is to get a static IP for your home network. Wireguard will always be safer than each individual service.

I disagree.

All bots and astroturfers had no problem getting 500 karma or whatever with one /r/funny repost. Which just meant new users can’t contribute and every subreddit is left with power users and trolls.

This would be even easier to game on Lemmy as it’s much more open and federated so getting 500 karma by a bot would be super easy.

The only reliable way to moderate is manual review with technical fingerprint. I work in online fraud detection.

Check out how far consumer devices are already

https://youtu.be/B3vL-w8PliE

I think its very likely we’ll see a fit for you in our lifetimes. It’ll be affordable too tho probably still a bit clunky due to battery tech limitations.

For vision the possibilities are endless but here the dangers are as well. Obviously the instinct will be augment vision with artificial objects and thats such a slippery slope. Tho I’d just take auto polarized lenses that are comfortable first.

Exoskeletons are almost viable already. Climbing a major hike without breaking a sweat is a real dream for outdoors people

Though number one for me would be personal temperature control. Imagine having the perfect ac everywhere you go. Somehow scifi ignores this idea but that would change everything.

Also cybernetic eyes obviously.

Yeah this quote really pivoted my life to a strong cosmopolitan view. By detaching ideas from people you can pick and choose and design your own philosophy and direction without attachment to exact people or inherited culture.

This is quite liberating mentally as solving cognitive dissonance is very expensive and theres an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance required to follow people who are often flawed or have conflicting ideas attached to them.