That people will upload illegal content is basically inevitable, the important thing is that there is someone (other than the original poster) with the authority to remove it.
Holy crap, the point is going completely over your head.
If having absolute power over the communication channel is so important to you, you can only do that by owning everything. This is not an issue you are going to solve with changes on Lemmy, or Mastodon, or ActivityPub, or XMPP, or anything.
You are arguing where the line is drawn, but the line is not going to go away. Unless you go full blockchain, there is always some aspect of internet communication that it’s mediated: the server, the internet provider, the domain registrar.
If you decentralize the hosting and make it a
“public database” where everything is backed up on multiple servers then yes, you can in fact have people hosting the content they want to host without having actual control over the website itself. If they don’t want to host NSFW content then they can filter it, someone else will host it and people can pull it from the database when they browse the website from their favorite front end.
Yes, I’m surprised too, I mentioned it in a previous comment, and they even mentioned crypto in another comment, seems definitely like something they should try.
I’ll go take a look and if it’s what I’m talking about then I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on when Reddit admins started fucking up instead of leaving to go on Lemmy where admins are still a thing…
I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on when Reddit admins started fucking up instead of leaving to go on Lemmy where admins are still a thing…
One reason is that Nostr is filled with crypto-bros who think cryptocurrencies is the future. The whole Nostr space is filled with bitcoin news and deranged people yelling “HODL”. Not surprising coming from a social media that makes it harder to ban you and encourages more absolute free speech.
I think the UX on Nostr is also just worse. You need to keep a private key for yourself I believe and that’s just a technical hurdle and annoyance that most people don’t want to deal with.
Another reason is that people like having admins. People want moderated places. People don’t want to bother moderating stuff themselves. People don’t want douchebags calling them stuff all the time and having to block stuff. Admins and moderators provide that service and users like that.
I get that you’re frustrated that the admins at Reddit were mistreating you. The answer to that is not “abolish all admins” but rather “choose better admins”, if you ask me at least. The good thing on the fediverse is that you can go to another place if you feel the current place isn’t run by reasonable people.
I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on
Some people still want to be able to cut themselves from other people. If you ask Beehaw what they would think about Nostr, they would probably tell you that for them being able to defederate is a must.
Sure and I have a huge block list on here and I would never advocate for a solution where you can’t choose to block someone or where mods can’t block people from the communities they moderate, it’s the person above that I have a problem with.
On Reddit I got blocked from a community (bread tube), I contacted the mod for an explanation and told them I didn’t see why I would get blocked for an honest question (What is the alternative to cops when people get robbed if we get rid of cops?) from someone who is a progressive but who just isn’t informed on that subject, they contacted the admins and I got banned from Reddit altogether. That’s my problem with having admins at the top, one mod didn’t like me questioning them, I had no issue in any other communities I took part in, bam, locked out of the whole place.
And those CSAM attacks weren’t prevented by the way it works at the moment so that point is moot…
That people will upload illegal content is basically inevitable, the important thing is that there is someone (other than the original poster) with the authority to remove it.
That’s the server owner’s job, it doesn’t mean they should also have the authority to decide who the users are federated with.
Holy crap, the point is going completely over your head.
If having absolute power over the communication channel is so important to you, you can only do that by owning everything. This is not an issue you are going to solve with changes on Lemmy, or Mastodon, or ActivityPub, or XMPP, or anything.
You are arguing where the line is drawn, but the line is not going to go away. Unless you go full blockchain, there is always some aspect of internet communication that it’s mediated: the server, the internet provider, the domain registrar.
If you decentralize the hosting and make it a “public database” where everything is backed up on multiple servers then yes, you can in fact have people hosting the content they want to host without having actual control over the website itself. If they don’t want to host NSFW content then they can filter it, someone else will host it and people can pull it from the database when they browse the website from their favorite front end.
You are describing nostr. Why not just use it then?
Yes, I’m surprised too, I mentioned it in a previous comment, and they even mentioned crypto in another comment, seems definitely like something they should try.
I’ll go take a look and if it’s what I’m talking about then I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on when Reddit admins started fucking up instead of leaving to go on Lemmy where admins are still a thing…
One reason is that Nostr is filled with crypto-bros who think cryptocurrencies is the future. The whole Nostr space is filled with bitcoin news and deranged people yelling “HODL”. Not surprising coming from a social media that makes it harder to ban you and encourages more absolute free speech.
I think the UX on Nostr is also just worse. You need to keep a private key for yourself I believe and that’s just a technical hurdle and annoyance that most people don’t want to deal with.
Another reason is that people like having admins. People want moderated places. People don’t want to bother moderating stuff themselves. People don’t want douchebags calling them stuff all the time and having to block stuff. Admins and moderators provide that service and users like that.
I get that you’re frustrated that the admins at Reddit were mistreating you. The answer to that is not “abolish all admins” but rather “choose better admins”, if you ask me at least. The good thing on the fediverse is that you can go to another place if you feel the current place isn’t run by reasonable people.
Well put
Please do take an honest try and let me know what you think of the UX.
Word of warning: the “no admin to censor you” also means “no one to help you in case you lose your account”.
Have a look, based on the discussion, you’ll probably like it: https://nostr.how/en/why-nostr
Some people still want to be able to cut themselves from other people. If you ask Beehaw what they would think about Nostr, they would probably tell you that for them being able to defederate is a must.
Sure and I have a huge block list on here and I would never advocate for a solution where you can’t choose to block someone or where mods can’t block people from the communities they moderate, it’s the person above that I have a problem with.
On Reddit I got blocked from a community (bread tube), I contacted the mod for an explanation and told them I didn’t see why I would get blocked for an honest question (What is the alternative to cops when people get robbed if we get rid of cops?) from someone who is a progressive but who just isn’t informed on that subject, they contacted the admins and I got banned from Reddit altogether. That’s my problem with having admins at the top, one mod didn’t like me questioning them, I had no issue in any other communities I took part in, bam, locked out of the whole place.