As @[email protected] said, the Nordics can only provide the safety nets they do while paying generally high wages while still maintaining enormous profits for their bourgeoisie because they expropriate vast sums from the Global South via Imperialism, manifested in outsourcing manufacturing for pennies and through large loans. They are Landlords in country form.
They aren’t alone in this, of course, the whole of Western Europe generally does it, and the US Empire is the biggest at it.
i don’t disagree, but socialism won’t solve that just by virtue of it being different… global socialism, perhaps but on the country level it’s just not. socialism just aligns local incentives
and now you’re arguing for massive bloodshed and forcing people to live the way you want, in potentially awful living conditions for a lot of people (i certainly, as an LGBT person, would not want to live in any previous or current socialist state) for a long time for theoretical improvement
I would point out that the system we live in now is also maintained by violence and a lot of bloodshed, all alternatives are aggressively opposed, many people live in awful conditions already, and more often they tend to be the people on receiving end of US weapon systems. The actual death toll of capitalism is extremely high if you include social murder and neglect too.
i don’t disagree, but i’d say that humans are, and will be responsible regardless of the system used
we’re living in the most peaceful time ever, with the highest quality of life… i’m not saying that fully socialist systems wouldn’t produce that, but i am saying compared with most of human history, things really aren’t that bad, and i’m not sure that it’s worth paying in human lives for a radical (and i’m using that world to mean big; not bad) change because the outcome is uncertain
Theoretically and practically. We have evidence for this throughout the last 130 years.
As for advocating for “bloodshed,” revolution remains the sole path to end the bloodshed, especially of the genocidal US Empire.
As for LGBTQ rights, I am pansexual myself, and I can confirm that Socialist countries make faster progress on social issues. Cuba today has much better LGBTQ rights than anywhere else in the world, and countries like the PRC are gradually improving as well. Socialism, if anything, improves the rate of progress. Even the GDR began pushing for LGBTQ rights well before Western European countries and the US did.
There’s pretty much no evidence the USSR’s famine in the 1930s was intentional. Moreover, it was the last major famine outside of war time in a country that had regular and common famines before collectivization.
As for this being “the most peaceful time in history,” that’s wrong, and is Neoliberal propaganda. The US Empire is still propping up genocide around the world, and expropriating the fruits of the labor of the Global South.
As for 1 example out of “many counter-examples,” can you legitimately link Capitalism itself to LGBTQ rights? The USSR had better treatment of queer folk than the modern Russian Federation, one of the PRC’s most famous celebrities is openly trans, queer rights advance more quickly in countries where the working class has control. Consider reading Leslie Feinberg’s Lavender & Red | Audiobook
As @[email protected] said, the Nordics can only provide the safety nets they do while paying generally high wages while still maintaining enormous profits for their bourgeoisie because they expropriate vast sums from the Global South via Imperialism, manifested in outsourcing manufacturing for pennies and through large loans. They are Landlords in country form.
They aren’t alone in this, of course, the whole of Western Europe generally does it, and the US Empire is the biggest at it.
i don’t disagree, but socialism won’t solve that just by virtue of it being different… global socialism, perhaps but on the country level it’s just not. socialism just aligns local incentives
Socialism allows it to be solved, Imperialism cannot be eliminated while Capitalism remains. Imperialism is the later stage of Capitalism.
theoretically
and now you’re arguing for massive bloodshed and forcing people to live the way you want, in potentially awful living conditions for a lot of people (i certainly, as an LGBT person, would not want to live in any previous or current socialist state) for a long time for theoretical improvement
I would point out that the system we live in now is also maintained by violence and a lot of bloodshed, all alternatives are aggressively opposed, many people live in awful conditions already, and more often they tend to be the people on receiving end of US weapon systems. The actual death toll of capitalism is extremely high if you include social murder and neglect too.
i don’t disagree, but i’d say that humans are, and will be responsible regardless of the system used
we’re living in the most peaceful time ever, with the highest quality of life… i’m not saying that fully socialist systems wouldn’t produce that, but i am saying compared with most of human history, things really aren’t that bad, and i’m not sure that it’s worth paying in human lives for a radical (and i’m using that world to mean big; not bad) change because the outcome is uncertain
Theoretically and practically. We have evidence for this throughout the last 130 years.
As for advocating for “bloodshed,” revolution remains the sole path to end the bloodshed, especially of the genocidal US Empire.
As for LGBTQ rights, I am pansexual myself, and I can confirm that Socialist countries make faster progress on social issues. Cuba today has much better LGBTQ rights than anywhere else in the world, and countries like the PRC are gradually improving as well. Socialism, if anything, improves the rate of progress. Even the GDR began pushing for LGBTQ rights well before Western European countries and the US did.
it sure is great that the USSR treated ukraine with respect aye… that holodomor sure is a lark
we are living in the most peaceful time in human history… a world with humans just isn’t going to be a utopia - we aren’t that good
but you’ve pulled 1 example out of many, many counter examples
There’s pretty much no evidence the USSR’s famine in the 1930s was intentional. Moreover, it was the last major famine outside of war time in a country that had regular and common famines before collectivization.
As for this being “the most peaceful time in history,” that’s wrong, and is Neoliberal propaganda. The US Empire is still propping up genocide around the world, and expropriating the fruits of the labor of the Global South.
As for 1 example out of “many counter-examples,” can you legitimately link Capitalism itself to LGBTQ rights? The USSR had better treatment of queer folk than the modern Russian Federation, one of the PRC’s most famous celebrities is openly trans, queer rights advance more quickly in countries where the working class has control. Consider reading Leslie Feinberg’s Lavender & Red | Audiobook