I agree we aren’t starting on day 1. The current wealth of billionaires is the result of State enforced monopolies on land, credit, and intellectual property.
Isn’t a valid position right now, and the people arguing that are not on failing to solve the problem, they’re actively making it worse?
Logically, every libertarian should be voting progressive to level the playing field, then pushing libertarianism to maintain an equal field after progressives have obtained all their main goals.
Like, that’s honestly everyone’s big problem with libertarianism. If they joined with progressives now, the vast amount of progressives would go on to become libertarians.
I used to believe that. I joined with progressives after Bush 2. All we’ve gotten is further into the pit and more of our rights stripped away, with the progressives cheering as long as their side does it, just like the goddamned magas
Make up your mind are we stupid and evil for voting for Biden or for NOT voting for Biden? Im getting mixed messages and I think you just want someone to be mad at.
joined with progressives after Bush 2. All we’ve gotten is further into the pit and more of our rights stripped away, with the progressives cheering as long as their side does it, just like the goddamned magas
Which doesn’t make any sense.
Who are these elected progressives who have been stripping our rights?
Who are the progressive voters cheering for it?
I think you’re just trying to fuck with people
I promise I’m not, I’m genuinely trying to understand.
This happens a lot for me… To over 85% of people I talk to actually, but if you keep asking questions and stop making assumptions we can both learn something here.
It’ll click eventually, it’s just the 30 point gap and it’s hard to tell at first how much I need to explicitly explain and how much can get by on implication.
But if you don’t want to give it a shot, by all means just stop replying.
But I’ve always been absolutely fascinated by libertarian’s logic and genuinely am really curious what you think “progressive” means in the context you’re using.
If you’re just fucking with me, not replying so I don’t have a chance to figure it out is your best bet tho.
Consistently dumb enough to not realize billionaires have our money and if they keep it we’re all fucked.
If we were starting on day 1 with equal footing their policy would make some sort of sense
But we aren’t, so it doesn’t.
Leaving them as either ignorant fools being taken advantage of, or rich idiots who think people are going to fall for it. Admittedly a few do.
I agree we aren’t starting on day 1. The current wealth of billionaires is the result of State enforced monopolies on land, credit, and intellectual property.
Then you understand that:
Isn’t a valid position right now, and the people arguing that are not on failing to solve the problem, they’re actively making it worse?
Logically, every libertarian should be voting progressive to level the playing field, then pushing libertarianism to maintain an equal field after progressives have obtained all their main goals.
Like, that’s honestly everyone’s big problem with libertarianism. If they joined with progressives now, the vast amount of progressives would go on to become libertarians.
We could all win.
I used to believe that. I joined with progressives after Bush 2. All we’ve gotten is further into the pit and more of our rights stripped away, with the progressives cheering as long as their side does it, just like the goddamned magas
Wut?!
I just can’t square that statement with reality, unless your standard for “progressive” is so low that it includes Joe Biden…
Which frankly is something so ridiculous you only hear trump supporters saying it.
But I can’t think of anything else you could have meant, can you clarify?
Make up your mind are we stupid and evil for voting for Biden or for NOT voting for Biden? Im getting mixed messages and I think you just want someone to be mad at.
When have I said either?
Are you sure I’m the person you meant to reply to?
You brought up Biden and Trump.
I think you’re just trying to fuck with people.
You said:
Which doesn’t make any sense.
Who are these elected progressives who have been stripping our rights?
Who are the progressive voters cheering for it?
I promise I’m not, I’m genuinely trying to understand.
This happens a lot for me… To over 85% of people I talk to actually, but if you keep asking questions and stop making assumptions we can both learn something here.
It’ll click eventually, it’s just the 30 point gap and it’s hard to tell at first how much I need to explicitly explain and how much can get by on implication.
But if you don’t want to give it a shot, by all means just stop replying.
But I’ve always been absolutely fascinated by libertarian’s logic and genuinely am really curious what you think “progressive” means in the context you’re using.
If you’re just fucking with me, not replying so I don’t have a chance to figure it out is your best bet tho.