Maybe the real bloat was the apps we needed all along
It’s not bloat if you use it.
Then again, am I really using these Haskell libraries? I just want to use pandoc. I love Arch, but the organization of the official repos is sometimes suboptimal.
Last I checked (which was some time ago), pandoc-bin doesn’t require the haskell dependencies. I saved quite some installation time (and screen space during installation) by switching.
Used pandoc-bin before and agree it’s more compact, but I had some issues with citation management recently, so went back to standard pandoc.
you’re right, installing pandoc on arch really comes with a lot of bloat. Iirc it’s >200 haskell libraries.
Someone has never done software development or worked on a build pipeline and it shows. Obviously complex software has lots of dependencies especially compiling from source.
Most people in this thread don’t get it.
You know how some people compete to see who can get Doom to run on the craziest platforms, like a calculator?
Installing Arch with the fewest packages is like that. There’s something oddly satisfying about stripping everything back to the most basic level - to make things work for you within the most constrictive environment you enforce for yourself.
It’s like eating a spicy shellfish dinner and super gluing your asshole closed.
Arch Linux: It’s like eating a spicy shellfish dinner and super gluing your asshole closed.
Poetry. >chef’s kiss<
… most people don’t get it …
Tbh I don’t
Fuck! I forgot nano and pacman again.
Nano… Pfff…
Requires three dependencies, while Vi requires one. Everyone can see how bloated your system is. You should be embarrassed.
Hey guys, check out this resource beast and laugh! Ha ha ha!
sudo is bloat
Every person who comments about “bloat” in their install should be required to preface their post or comment with a full definition of “bloat.”
This shit is obnoxious.
Anything that’s not kernel
So GNU?
Just the G actually
But the G in GNU stands for GNU
I never understand this obsession with “bloat” when you can buy a 1 TB SSD for € 50.
> Install NixOS > Learn about Nix > Organise your dotfiles > Learn about flakes > Organise your dotfiles > Learn about modularisation > Organise your dotfiles > ...You can use window managers instead of DEs. While I prefer DEs because how much features they have you may not need these features
Instructions unclear, installed sway and 50 utilities for it.
smh get real, install Hyprland and 50 utilities for it (30 of those are sway utilities)
it’s not bloat if i wanted it and installed it.
It is bloat if dependencies aren’t defined properly and the packager defines a too broad set of dependencies.
(Disclaimer: I don’t use Arch myself but I am a packager of a small “scratch my own itch” but public repository for another distribution.)
Btw I don’t use Arch?
Debian is the solution
Is there a way to download Debian with GNOME without all the bloat?
You don’t use GNOME to get rid of bloat. You use it to get a fully functional opinionated desktop without tweaking too much.
If you want no “bloat”, whatever that is, use some minimal compositor like Sway or something.
Personally, I say: Give me all the bloat, I love it! I love every cool and quality of life feature there is. I have enough space on any desktop computer.
Yes, I understand that, but I don’t need all the games and stuff installed by default. Sway is a whole different experience. I use i3 on my older laptop (Macbook A1181 w/ Libreboot) but I personally wouldn’t want to use it unless I needed to.
GNOME is a gorgeous desktop environment, I just hate the fact that I have to take a additional 5-10 minutes every install just removing all the stuff I don’t need. Is there a debloater script for GNOME that you know of?
Still way less bloated than win11 I’d wager
Step 1. Install the most secure, pure, minimalist Linux distro
Step 2. Get frustrated at the complications
Step 3. Give up and go back to Windows
- a story I’ve seen happen more than once
Step 1. Install user-friendly Linux distro
Step 2. Get frustrated at the complications
Step 3. Try to check back on Windows
Step 4. Get completely disgusted, realize just HOW much bloated and slow and terrible Windows is
Step 5. Learn Linux-fu and live happy ever after
That’s my path
Go back to windows is not an option, it’s a really horrible system. I dont see how people can use it without blowing their brains out.
It just works. I don’t want to have to invest time in making my os work. I want to spend my time on my projects(which I use wsl for)
I totally understand the desire and satisfaction of having complete control over your os but a lot of people just want to be able to do simple stuff like game and browse the web which windows does just fine in my experience.
I’d argue Linux falls short on audience that needs a little more than browsing and simple games, but are themselves a little less than sysadmins. That’s the audience that is really hurt by the transition. The rest (simple as well as power users) should be just fine.
Even still, with Windows being the mainstream option, it just goes as a no-brainer and a default solution for the majority of people, regardless of how good or bad it is.
It just worksit’s just better supported because of the monopoly Microsoft established
For me unfortunately it has been Step 1 install literally the most universally compatible distro possible
Step 2 audio drivers craps out. No fix is available. Trying to apply workarounds completely Bork the system
Step 3 install again. graphics driver is problematic, refresh it giving it MOS permissions. I miss the MOS permission screen at the reboot. Look for how to do obtain that option again. No easy way to do it at all. Bork the system again
Step 4 install again. Notice touch screen support is completely useless, and pen is not supported.
Step 5 Ask myself if keeping a 1200$ computer with tinny audio, no graphic hardware acceleration and a half functional display can be justified in any way. It can’t.
Step 5. Back to windows. Bloated, but it works.
Unfortunately system support is still very iffy on some models. I’d really like to embrace the distro life but can’t.
Without claiming that I would be able to fix any problems, I’m curious which hardware that is. In all honesty I can’t remember the actual audio driver ever crapping out in the last 15 or so years. I find this fascinating and like to know more.
The set of hardware I’ve had most problems with had been various types of WiFi adapters from Realtek and Broadcom.
