They’re implying that all GrapheneOS is bad and then saying they’re raiding some people with GrapheneOS phones. How many people understand what GrapheneOS is much less what a fork of it is and how to differentiate the two. It’s designed to be confusing as is most propaganda.
With or wthout proof, I agree that this possibility must be considered. All disruptive tech will get some kind of smear campaign or resistance from established industry. That’s why I’m still wary of the sentiment against Proton until I can finish reading all the evidence.
We can consider every possibility, which in this case I did, but without any proof we should only consider it for a short time.
And after some more digging I found more detailed info from some Dutch people who seem know their shit (link in this comment section) and it appears they don’t take this very seriously. So unless new information arises, I’m going to park this in the “probably nonsense” section of my brain. I don’t have headspace to keep considering every possible conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence. Nor do I think it will do my mental health any favours.
Maybe if you had taken a little time or energy to read the comment you replied to, you could have read that I clarified that the OP was now spreading disinformation.
I did not, but I also didn’t trust any info in the OP, but used all the links to Netherlands based sites. I do know some Dutch, so I was more saying I don’t have time or energy to translate and summarize those linked articles either.
Also, I just realized there were 2 links in the OP. I was digging more into the grapheneos.social link and some of the articles linked there and then down the rabbit hole from there.
And I also now realized my reply might have sounded dismissive, I definitely didn’t intend it that way, but it was early morning when I wrote it and it’s a busy one, so I seriously only meant that to be literal and to say I couldn’t help too much with digging, but everything I read originated from that OP and drilling down into it. Also, my brain tends to ignore the stuff that sounds like trolling or disinformation by default since I just assume everything on the internet is that these days.
There are no “trustworthy” sites for me, so while there was definitely some exaggeration and leading comments in there, I wasn’t really commenting on that, only on the facts of how the Dutch government is seemingly purposely linking all GrapheneOS to this fork, then implying that the fork was meant for pedos, etc., and then further implying that all use of GrapheneOS is for pedos, etc., rather than ordinary privacy.
Most governments have been doing this a lot lately of implying that trying to keep your info private implies you “have something to hide” and then giving some small extreme examples of when that was true and implying everyone who wants privacy is like those extreme examples. There will always be criminals trying to hide things, but that’s not an excuse to go after the ability to maintain privacy.
But yes, always verify, and sorry for the initial abrupt comment and this info-dump comment. It’s just a crazy day and I don’t have time to be a better writer…it’s not really my thing. LOL
Yeah I saw there was a second link with more links behind it. But the only .nl link they provide is the AD.nl link from this OP. The other ones are all .fr or other countries. So we still don’t see the Dutch government linking this raid to all of GrapheneOS.
All I’m saying is “trust me bro I know a little Dutch” isn’t going to cut it for the person who called out disinformation and told people to check their sources.
So let’s just forget this conversation and move on :)
Where is the government saying that in regard to the raids on these specific pixel phones?
They’re implying that all GrapheneOS is bad and then saying they’re raiding some people with GrapheneOS phones. How many people understand what GrapheneOS is much less what a fork of it is and how to differentiate the two. It’s designed to be confusing as is most propaganda.
But that is my question: are they really implying that? And if you say so, where can I read that. I’m not making a comment saying
And then proceed to not check my facts LOL, so I’m really going to need a source on that claim.
With or wthout proof, I agree that this possibility must be considered. All disruptive tech will get some kind of smear campaign or resistance from established industry. That’s why I’m still wary of the sentiment against Proton until I can finish reading all the evidence.
We can consider every possibility, which in this case I did, but without any proof we should only consider it for a short time. And after some more digging I found more detailed info from some Dutch people who seem know their shit (link in this comment section) and it appears they don’t take this very seriously. So unless new information arises, I’m going to park this in the “probably nonsense” section of my brain. I don’t have headspace to keep considering every possible conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence. Nor do I think it will do my mental health any favours.
It’s in the OP. I unfortunately don’t have time or energy to make a more detailed summary. You’ll have to read the OP.
Maybe if you had taken a little time or energy to read the comment you replied to, you could have read that I clarified that the OP was now spreading disinformation.
… And now you’re referring me back to the OP?
I did not, but I also didn’t trust any info in the OP, but used all the links to Netherlands based sites. I do know some Dutch, so I was more saying I don’t have time or energy to translate and summarize those linked articles either.
Also, I just realized there were 2 links in the OP. I was digging more into the grapheneos.social link and some of the articles linked there and then down the rabbit hole from there.
And I also now realized my reply might have sounded dismissive, I definitely didn’t intend it that way, but it was early morning when I wrote it and it’s a busy one, so I seriously only meant that to be literal and to say I couldn’t help too much with digging, but everything I read originated from that OP and drilling down into it. Also, my brain tends to ignore the stuff that sounds like trolling or disinformation by default since I just assume everything on the internet is that these days.
There are no “trustworthy” sites for me, so while there was definitely some exaggeration and leading comments in there, I wasn’t really commenting on that, only on the facts of how the Dutch government is seemingly purposely linking all GrapheneOS to this fork, then implying that the fork was meant for pedos, etc., and then further implying that all use of GrapheneOS is for pedos, etc., rather than ordinary privacy.
Most governments have been doing this a lot lately of implying that trying to keep your info private implies you “have something to hide” and then giving some small extreme examples of when that was true and implying everyone who wants privacy is like those extreme examples. There will always be criminals trying to hide things, but that’s not an excuse to go after the ability to maintain privacy.
But yes, always verify, and sorry for the initial abrupt comment and this info-dump comment. It’s just a crazy day and I don’t have time to be a better writer…it’s not really my thing. LOL
Yeah I saw there was a second link with more links behind it. But the only .nl link they provide is the AD.nl link from this OP. The other ones are all .fr or other countries. So we still don’t see the Dutch government linking this raid to all of GrapheneOS.
All I’m saying is “trust me bro I know a little Dutch” isn’t going to cut it for the person who called out disinformation and told people to check their sources.
So let’s just forget this conversation and move on :)