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Cake day: September 25th, 2023

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  • Well the first part is a cogent argument good job! I’ll ignore the ramblings below it.

    What you’re describing isn’t working, that’s the argument for the public vs private. To dissuade the gaming of totals that I refernced 6 comments ago now, you’ll have to scroll past your shitposting to get there. I’ll wait.

    If you’re fighting what are essentially automated bots that upvote or downvote as much as they like, and then having to verify accounts to ptevent the bots, then distribute tools to auto mods, then restructure again, it’s all a game of cat and mouse. You need community engagement not content moderation. Community tools and culture are how you fight disinformation. Let people communicate their points. Give better sorting in the comments and use many different algos to sort responses. Not just upvote downvote. Arithmetic is very easily gamed for the motivated and loud minority voice. It’s literally the reason many people left Tumblr, Dig, Reddit and will leave Lemmy. A binary choice doesn’t promote discussion it drives “engagement”.

    You haven’t even touched on my argument of dopamine buttons. I think it might be your fixation on cleaning products and projection. If you’re going to use the labor of your end users to self moderate then you should hide all upvote/downvote tallies. Also fully anonymise counts. Voting systems are anonymous for many different reasons one is to prevent what has commonly been referred to as influencer clout. Another is to prevent direct targeting of users.


  • Shhhh shhhh now. I know, it’s hard.

    I didn’t say anything about moderators I was talking about moderation. Not who does what or how it’s done. See that’s your job. Intelligent conversation, maybe you’ve seen it modeled somewhere before. I’ll explain it regardless because I don’t think you understood it. Intelligent conversation is when people share ideas, or concepts. Someone says something and then the other person, either supports or refutes it with logic.

    Back to moderation vs upvotes. Try to think of what a good solution would be, and then describe it. With details and logic. That’s how the adults in the room like to talk.

    You’re just shitposting. Maybe looking for someone, anyone to talk to. You have a weird fixation on cleaning products. Maybe try to talk about other more relatable things. Or you know the topic at hand, that could help.





  • You can anonymise those votes with a hash if your data is structured to need a username for a key value. Use the username as a salt if you must. However the Lemmy API has plenty of metadata to prove a human account that is not a username. Creation date, how many previous comments, if they’re banned from another connected instanxe. This isn’t about mod tooling or APIs this is about anonymity and privacy.

    There’s no need for a fediverse wide running tally of upcotes for a comment on Lemmy

    I vote for no upvote or downvotes, why build a token for a false economy like the upvote at Reddit or the note at Tumblr or the like on Facebook.

    Endorphin buttons are not good for anyone.