Highlighting the recent report of users and admins being unable to delete images, and how Trust & Safety tooling is currently lacking.

  • CeeBee@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Ya, reading the GitHub issue sounds entirely like burnt out devs being abused by users. It’s a massive issue in open source.

    The Late Night Linux and Linux Dev Time podcasts talked about exactly this in a recent episode. It can be extremely demoralizing to do all this work for free for a project only to be inundated by ungrateful people demanding you fix something or implement a feature they want. Many open source projects have died because of that.

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      8 months ago

      We’re not talking about a user demanding you release a flatpak build targeting their personal linux distribution running in a VM’d WSL, we’re talking about a consumer facing social app that doesn’t include the functionality for a user to delete something they added.

      You know what the acronym used for describing the most basic functional web app api is?

      CRUD - Create, Read, Update, Delete

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        8 months ago

        You seem to know what you are talking about. Have you made a pull request yet?

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          8 months ago

          Have you learned how to program to fix the problem?

          It doesn’t seem worth my time to learn Rust just to submit a PR to devs who behave like that, they’ll just reject it and be pithy, like they are when a user asks them to comply with EU privacy law.

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            8 months ago

            It doesn’t seem worth my time to learn Rust just to submit a PR to devs who behave like that

            Ya, this is exactly the attitude that burns out devs and kills projects. Congrats for being super entitled towards a free project.

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              8 months ago

              It is not entitled to expect a published project to comply with basic privacy legislation and not be illegal to use.

              If your bar for this project is that much below basic consumer expectations, then this project was always going to fail.

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                8 months ago

                It is not entitled to expect a published project to comply with basic privacy legislation and not be illegal to use.

                No it’s not. But what is entitlement is bombarding voluntary devs with garbage requests. Is this particular issue entitlement? No. But having seen the various requests made over the last year or so there’s a breaking point where a person gets overly sensitive.

                Think of being pestered ALL day at work over garbage and having an all around bad day. Then on the way home you jump into a store to pick something up and someone says something annoying but ultimately innocuous to you. Some people can handle it in stride, some people’s nerves get frayed.

                I’m not excusing the devs here. I don’t actually know what their thoughts are. But from personal experience in the dev world and from what I’ve seen, it looks to me like they’re getting frustrated by users.

                And they might be in a region where the privacy concerns don’t apply to them. And I agree that it’s a problem, but ultimately it’s their right and prerogative to not implement.

                Remember, absolutely no one here has paid a single CENT to the devs for their work (not talking about donations).

                So complaining about the quality of their work while you are benefiting from it for free is literally entitlement.

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                  8 months ago

                  I understand having frayed nerves, I even understand snapping at someone because you’re having a bad day, and I do feel sympathy for the devs, and wouldn’t hold this against them (especially since they’re at least providing a nuke everything option that will address it).

                  But the line between entitlement and reasonable expectation is not one of monetary compensation.

                  Engineering ethics does not let you off the hook just because no one paid you to build what you built. If an engineer goes to the park and unilaterally builds a playground that doesn’t meet basic legislated safety standards and kills a kid, they’re not off the hook. They will be investigated by their professional body and have their license revoked.

                  Hell if they just build a playground off in the woods on their own private land but don’t take reasonable steps to prevent kids from accessing or using it then they will have their license revoked.

                  • gregorum@lemm.ee
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                    7 months ago

                    Your failure to provide a reliable source for your claims is not my problem.

                    If you cannot provide a reliable source of your claims, your claim will be dismissed.