I never consent to give my data away or being tracked, but how do you deal with so called legitimate interest? I tried several times to untick them but it is a long list (in fact at the bottom there is a “vendors” link with even longer, much longer list. It took me 10 minutes to get to the bottom of it once).
My questions:
-how can we trust these so called legitimate interests when they are self defined by companies whose business model relies on your data?
-how can we find out what these legitimate interests are and what data it collects?
-are such companies controlled in any way?
-is this kind of consent form compliant with EU gdpr? (normally opt out is to be as easy as opt in, and there is no “refuse all” for these so called legitimate interests).
-what are your strategies against such sites tracking you? Or am I just being paranoid?
The sheer amount vendors is daunting, the Internet really turned into crap
Edit: when clicking Preferences at the bottom the content of the legitimate interested is spelled out for each vendor, so this replies one of my questions.
Legitimate interest is just bullshit.
Can I have your:
- wallet
- emails received
- telephone number
- pin code
- visa card numbers
- browser history
- home address
- dates you won’t be home
- alarm code
I too am legitimately interested in this data.
Why are you asking for their consent? You’re using their personal data on the basis of your legitimate interest.
Hey, these faceless corporations deserve your info. /s
They’re legitimately interested in your data.
Your honor, it was not a rape, it was my legitimate interest in sex.
“If it’s a legitimate interest, the browser has ways to try to shut that whole thing down”
How was the browser dressed?
I mean depending on the context it might be a decent defense
I’ve seen judges let offenders off light on worse arguments. Unfortunately.
I’ve scene abusive and insane spouses that accuse there husband of abuse and even rape
No u haven’t 🤥
Your choice of words was absolutely terrible. There is no such thing as a decent defense of rape. Now, an effective defense in our busted legal system? That’s a whole different story. But “decent” does not apply in cases of sexual assault and violence. Ever.
If the person is innocent until they are proven guilty. Also it is entirely possible they were innocent
Your reply is completely unrelated to what I said. There is no such thing as a decent defense for raping someone. If they didn’t rape anyone, good! If they did, that is an indefensible act by its very nature.
I made no comment at all on whether or not any specific individual is guilty or not. So I’m really confused what your point is here…?
You are saying that they don’t set a defense. No matter the crime, you deserve defense. No one, not even sexual predictors, deserve to be stripped of constitutional rights. Such things also are related to prejudice.
No. Read it again. I never said allegation. I never referenced court proceedings. I said the act of rape is indefensible.
If you commit rape, there is no “decent” defense. If you didn’t, then my comment doesn’t apply. Simple as that.
There is no excuse for sexual violence, and there never will be.
Legitimate Interest is an attempt at working around the GDPR using a loophole in the ruling meant to permit processing of data in situations such as when a business has a trading relationship with a client.
However the legal clarification from the EU Commission says: “Your company/organisation must also check that by pursuing its legitimate interests the rights and freedoms of those individuals are not seriously impacted, otherwise your company/organisation cannot rely on grounds of legitimate interest as a justification for processing the data and another legal ground must be found.” (see here) and there is a “right to privacy” in EU law.
So supposedly that nearly endless list of “partners” (read: advert providers, trackers and other assorted businesses who make money from breaking people’s privacy) cannot use legitimate interest to track you as that would break your right to privacy.
That said, in practice they probably do, and until they get fined hard they’ll keep on doing it, so as others said, don’t used a Chrome-based browser and use a good Ad Blocker add-on.
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Depends on the threat model but usually you don’t trust them. It’s as simple as that
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I think the legitimate interest has something to do with giving the data to the government when legally required but it can have other meanings too. Good luck with finding out. Some of them won’t tell the truth even if officially asked (unless you work for the government)
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Everything is somewhat controlled but in terms of data collection and sharing it is absolutely not (e. g. the users’ HIV status data on Tumblr or whatever the thing is called)
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Idk about that
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Regular protection like Tor, VPN, anti-fingerprinting etc
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I wouldn’t say you are being too paranoid
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Yes the internet has turned into a horrible place
Legitimate interest is just an out to get around tracking users.
I wouldn’t be surprised is many data trackers don’t pay attention to any of the permissions and agreements. It’s hard to validate they aren’t in compliance and it’s hard for most people to even challenge these businesses.
Even if these businesses where legally challenged they can just close the business. Then take the same software and start a new business doing the same thing. If you look at the amount of companies you information is shared with under legitimate interests it can be in the order of hundreds.
Not hundreds but thousands. I saw one app that claimed to share the data with like 815 partners
This is the worst one I’ve been subjected to so far. Was on some gaming-related site, don’t remember which one
New high score. Nice
What?
So the gaming site/high score connection wasn’t intended? Oh well 🤷
I wouldn’t be surprised is many data trackers don’t pay attention to any of the permissions and agreements. It’s hard to validate they aren’t in compliance and it’s hard for most people to even challenge these businesses.
organizations like la quadrature validate and challenge those businesses. Europe is relatively strict on this subject.
- It’s not gdpr compliant in the way shown here or IAB TCF uses it.
Legitimate interest is a sort failsafe which can be used to cover certain exceptions.
- the datacontrollor must have an exceptional situation, so not on a regular basis.
- the balance between personal and business interest must be considered carefully under case by case basis.
- the dataprocessor isn’t the one doing the consideration
Automating all this is kind off against all the above.
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OP:
posts about tracking and not consenting to give data away
also OP:
uses Google Chrome
Wrong, that’s Mulch. Uninstalling and deactivating Google apps is the first thing I do. Android system webview is the tricky one, but Mulch has a webview too. Still the default one manages to creep in sometimes, and deactivating it breaks things that call it specifically. Edit: there is a system webview setting under Developers tools, but Mulch’s does not appear there
Mulch ain’t the worst, but there are better options. Generally, I would recommend a Firefox-based browser instead of Chromium, because it has full extension support (including adblockers). You can check out this comparison chart, or this one.
Bromite and Cromite are a thing too
Yes I use Mull but this does not look like a Firefox-based browser
Mull is a firefox-based browser developed by DivestOS, Mulch is developed by the same team but it’s based on Chromium
Bromite? Not anymore. Cromite? Absolutely.
I used cromite for a while, and in general prefer it to Mulch, but I stick to it for the webview. (only way that seems to have the webview replace Google’s is to define Mulch as default browser). I still often use cromite too
Edit : not just cromite in fact 😅
There’s no such thing as legitimate interest. Reject what you can, block everything else with adblockers.
Just autowipe cookies on pageloads. Use fast rotating vpn, tunnel through tor twice, run computer in ram only, remove all storage devices.
Amateur advice. Don’t own your own device. ask your friends to look up things for you on their devices, then print them out and mail them to your PO Box. Untraceable.
But how did you pay for the PO box? Using cash, think of the fingerprints. And don’t forget about the post office spies
Solution, don’t have an address or talk to anyone ever, scavenge your own food.
Untraceable
What about the cats?
The musical or the movie?
Honestly? I wouldn’t trust either.
Ez
Legitimate interest is a way for the vendors to not need your confirmation. In general, your right to privacy is valued against the vendor’s right to operate. The most often used example is advertisement: in general, vendors are allowed to advertise, as they want to operate and sell their products. But you have a right to your data (e.g. mail adress, home adress, interests…). So courts have to value what is more important. Another example that most people would agree is that clubs want to show what happens in the club, so they publish pictures from their activities (interest of club to show they are active vs personal right to your image). As not every case goes to court, most vendors see their interest as more important and interpret “legitimate” interest rather loosely. So in general, the idea of legitimate interest is compliant with the GDPR, although I believe most sites use it too liberal.
fair enough, i have a legitimate interest in always blocking trackers and advertisements in every device i own too
Your browser can block cookies.
Your browser cannot block server-side abuse of your personal data. These consent forms are not about cookies; they’re about fooling users into consenting to abuse of their personal data. Cookies are just one of many many technological measures required to carry out said human rights abuse.
I just accept all cookies. But I use Firefox Focus which deletes all cookies and browsing history every time I close it!
You can just use uBlock Origin with this list to hide the cookie notices: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/
Won’t help with websites that (illegally) have cookies enabled by default.
You can (and probably should) configure Firefox to automatically block all 3rd party cookies
What about first party cookies?
Multi-Account Containers to separate your tabs. Then wipe all cookies on closing.
Or just use consent-o-matic
These cookie consent notices are mostly about 3rd-party cookies. In fact, they often don’t let you completely reject cookies, you can just choose whether you want 3rd-party cookies.
IANAL, but iirc if you’re in the eu, legitimate interest is not legal basis for data processing but they may still store it for later use if you ever agree to one of these
I am like 90% sure they use it regardless.
Have https://noyb.eu/en or https://www.eff.org/ or others never covered this ? If not it would be good to get them interested ?
And the “we play nice” respons of IAB: https://iabeurope.eu/iab-europe-tcf-and-noybs-war-on-cookie-banners/
Thank you, these were two very interesting read on the gdpr law, spirit of the law and the complexity of enforcing it (and how those data-thirsty suckers always find a way to carry on their wrongdoingds)
Use Firefox (or a hardened fork like Mull) with uBlock Origin and you’ll never see this BS again
