• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    People die without revolution, historically revolutionary Socialism has come with dramatic improvements in quality of life for the Working Class. Taking down the US Empire would massively uplift the burden on the Global South as well.

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      perhaps, or perhaps it could be replaced by something worse. there are no guarantees

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        Read up on historical revolution, Socialist revolution has a great track record, and if the US Empire didn’t interfere it would be even better.

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          the nordic states seem to be doing pretty well at riding a good line, and whilst australia is far from socialist, what we have is working great too

          accident? no of course not… but consistency… a big bang “revolution” is the easy way out… it’s so easy to say you’ll fight for what you believe in when you don’t have to see what it’ll entail or what will come out the other side of it but the reality is far more bloody and is absolutely not what you have in your head afterwards

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              and you believe a revolution in the US will help the third world?

              socialist countries are plenty capable of being exploitative too. a revolution doesn’t change the people - it changes the power structures

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                  all of the above listed counties have very solid healthcare and are not entirely socialist. what’s your point?

                  socialism is not a requirement for being a place that treats people with respect and dignity; nor is it a silver bullet

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                    As @[email protected] said, the Nordics can only provide the safety nets they do while paying generally high wages while still maintaining enormous profits for their bourgeoisie because they expropriate vast sums from the Global South via Imperialism, manifested in outsourcing manufacturing for pennies and through large loans. They are Landlords in country form.

                    They aren’t alone in this, of course, the whole of Western Europe generally does it, and the US Empire is the biggest at it.